Any weapon or round in the right hands can be lethal just find whats the most comfortable and accurate with your shots. My military friends please chime in. Like Barbarossa said..nothing unnerves a man more than some son of a bitch that stands when he ahould be running. Like V8 vs turbo 4 vs supercharged vs NA. Bottom line, the FBI testing protocol and testing results are really more examples of government inefficiency, and should not be held in such high regard in my opinion. will be my choice. The same tech that has caught the 9mm up to the 45 has made the 45 even more superior. If you are choosing the 9mm simply because of capacity, you might want to also consider the FN Herstal FNX-45. I prefer more shock per hit. Not true at all. Done talking with someone who refuses to educate themselves. The result was the 9x19mm Parabellum or 9mm Luger, developed in 1901. 9mm in the field just makes sense, for all the reasons Eric lists plus those of you fine, well informed readers. Wrong, you change the angle. Less recoil , good penetration, good follow up for stopping a robber etc. By the time you've pulled the trigger with a .45, a 9mm can put 3 rounds in any anatomically advantageous area. The only guns we fire are on computer games. I want more rounds with less recoil. Due to the large amount of information gathered in this test, standard deviation and high/low velocities are not shown. Gun laws are different in different states. My first thought is: .45 is better because it's bigger. Everything is a compromise. My "house gun" of choice: .45 Long Taurus Public Defender. Have a great weekend, Colin. Not dissing the 9, in fact it's what I carry. 45 will make a bigger hole, which can be a decisive factor in lethality. I was a die hard .45 fan but when I got the concealed license, it just wasn't comfortable to carry. And then some more. By the time my dad made it to Korea he was already an experienced shooter. I'll take the the bigger bullet. To think you need 15+1 is just imo foolish. Knock down power is vague, because it doesnt exist. A lighter round traveling faster than a heavy round, if the difference is substantial enough, will carry similar energy. He now carries a S&W M&P Shield like mine, or a Glock 19. No 9mm arguably matches that bullet's performance. But, firing rounds takes time. 9mm is not close. I'll keep my 357 SIG. All the ballistics from all manufacturers, finally in one place. Could I ask you why every special forces in the world including the Seals and SAS use 9mm MP5s mostly. Yes you are right there is a lot more 9mm ammo than there are 45 ACP. If you're really intent on a firearmgo bigger. If you THINK you can shoot accurately while adrenalized, then you're whistling past the graveyard. The one thing I never see mentioned about the .45 acp is that because it's a slower round and over penetration issues drop dramatically it, FMJ is still a very good SD/HD ammo. However, how about the hollow point bullets that's suppose to stop and explode once they enter the body.Is that a myth or not? So what if they are on the opposite side of a wall? I really admire the professional comments that was written. Youll hear a lot of people say that the .45 is better because it shoots a bigger caliber bullet, or that the 9mm is better because of its capacity. About "Youre welcome Europe" well, it could be useffull to open History books : France made the biggest part of the job, with England, during WW1. Copyright Ammotogo.com 2023 All Rights Reserved. Well use another sports analogy to make this point: think of a linebacker traveling at 6 mph, which is a typical jogging speed. To actually answer the question of velocity by barrel length for 9mm Luger, and what the ideal barrel length is, namely for something like an AR-15 / AR-9 pistol or SBR, we'll discuss below. If you want knock down power take up boxing . Im a big fan of the Colt 1911 45 with 7 and 8 round mags and have carry one cc for a few years. My practice is Steel Challenge for about 14 years + USPSA and Zombie. If you, as an individual, can put in the training required to fully leverage 40S&W or 45acp then it can be a great choice for personal defense. Be familiar! 3. I'll take 10 "flying ashtrays" over the puny 9mm anytime. I then fired the same round into the post at an angle from an HK-94 (16 barrel). Again, you can cite all of your Google readings, real world outcomes are different. As one coroner I heard from said, he's never seen a .357 Magnum leave a body and he's never seen a .44 Magnum stay in one. That is the EXCEPTION!! Both rounds are great in my book I definitely use both depending on the situation at hand. We'll only use the information provided according to our privacy policy. Very interesting test. Well written article. FBI dropped 0.40 not because 9mm comes even close to it just affirmative action that's all it is. 20 ~ 30% accuracy, you have got to be kidding? We'll cover the pros & cons of 9mm vs .45 ACP, from stopping power to expansion, accuracy, price, capacity, and more. EDUCATION 101. Wonder what would be the longest barrel before a 9mm starts dropping speed. Ive been doing this for 40 years. Don't know about explode, but a good hollow point will EXPAND. They struggled with .357 and .45. Maybe spray and a 30-30 rifle. From Firearm Wiki: The Internet Gun Encyclopedia, Velocity by Barrel Length of Various Calibers, Firearms Chambered in 9mm (Palmetto State Armory), https://firearmwiki.com/index.php?title=9mm_Velocity_by_Barrel_Length&oldid=1702, About Firearm Wiki: The Internet Gun Encyclopedia. I found, for my wife, the 380A worked best for her. STL like the conversation but on a different subject did anyone see the movie the card Counter I see one of the stars of the movie was wearing a Pew Pew tactical shirt. Somethig to the discuters, even for an author. Its the gun I run classes with and is setup on my battle/SHTF rig. You got a bad guy? I agree Patrick. And if you shoot at a car,it sounds like a hammer when it hits,and the bad guys know its not a pop gun aiming down on them.They find the gas peddle most rikki tik. He bought 'bigger is better' and eventually converted down to 9mm. I would take the 1911 but some folks freak when they open carry. The domestic manufacture of war material was not remotely able to resupply the entire UK armed forces. Returns Policy. I have been shooting for around 50 years, and I like the .40 S&W for most things. As a Patrol Officer I have seen both in action in the real world, not the bull crap settings of a test range. The bullet doesn't matter if you can't shoot it with some accuracy. Bullet drop tends to range from 10 to 12 at 100 yards. And here were are with generations publicly embracing socialism and communism. It depends on the body armor (type and quality) as well as the ammunition used. The choice for anybody should be what they are comfortable with and accurate with. 5.7mm American Eagle 40 Grain Full Metal Jacket This is a 9mm Luger ballistics chart (external) generated using our ballistic trajectory calculator. One shot one kill at 30. The pistol has a dropleg tactical holster that holds 4 extra 9RD mags. More misinformation about the 9mm vs 45. New developments not only improved the 9mm, modern 45ACP can make a 1 hole and 50% more energy delivered on target. Then rinse and repeat as needed. If you had a slightly larger gun with a magazine holding seven or eight rounds (or more, such as a double-stack with 10, like a Glock 26) was available, you'd essentially have plenty (in most cases). They obviously apply to other calibers as well. I bet if a poll was done on best semi auto handguns glock would win by a landslide, H&K by far . Ill stick with my slower freight train that will knock a person flat down, even on a sloppy hit, lol. The cookie is set by crwdcntrl.net to collect statistical data such as the number of visits, average time spent on site, and what pages have been loaded, for targeted advertising. So, even if the 45 "hits harder", that only matters if your on target. I see you thanked Sig Sauer and Black Hills at the bottom, but no results for either in the spread sheet and none for Sig in the graph. Easier to conceal and handle. I do exactly as you stated, we think alike. Rightfully, the 9mm counter argument is that there is no such thing. 9mm is just as quiet if you opt for subsonic which takes away the muzzle velocity and negates the price difference. If you need your first shot to count more than anything, then why aren't you carrying a .357 magnum? I went to a self defense class with 12 people, all with 9mm. The following data is sourced from Ballistics by the Inch. My choice, since my first 1911A back in 1953, to my Glocks G21SF, G30, and G36 of today. Inside the home I find .45 is the most comfortable. But it makes for a fairly good read for those new to external ballistics. I like that revolvers come in 9mm now (or more), and they sure seem more reliable and easy to use. A couple of days ago I went out to my hunting property to shoot something more than paper targets and compare the rounds. They will both have the same result! You have seconds literally to get your gun on to the bear. Velocity (FPS) Energy (ft/lb) 1135. I've seen A LOT of patients shot with numerous calibers. Drop to a knee which will angle your bullet trajectory upwards and if the rounds exit his body they should be travelling in a safe direction. Shotguns, rifles, pistolshe's been collecting them all for over a decade. Itll help keep you consistent and on-target. And that's why an old lady clings to her old 1911 :). I live in less free country, I still can carry my pistol, but EU wants to limit my magazines (blah blah blah). I really hope you were joking with your statement. Both rounds are more than enough to put a guy down. Thanks, Eric! Allow me to offer a suggestion (well not a suggestion as the FBI state's so)..the FBI did not drop the .40 cal due to the improvement in .9mm ammo. This is why armor piercing fin stabilized discarding sabot tank rounds fly at speeds above 5000 fps. The hydrostatic shock of a .45 is inherently greater than a 9mm. Pew Pew needs to talk to professionals rather than giving amateur opinions. All the rest, including +p loads, came in under that number. Well, when it comes to home defense, the .45 ACP does holdone distinct advantage over the 9mmshallower penetration. 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